| #1 Mogalin[26297] |
| cgowave-0-224.cgocable.net |
| Blank reports are so pointless. They put the good reports that people actually put work into off the top 10 list and that way their hard work cna often go unrecognized. BS like this really makes me sick. |
| #2 shockwave[26303] |
| exchange1.sensable.com |
| I agree! Umm, which report were you referring to? |
| #3 Fox^1[26305] |
| www-proxy.service.digital.com |
Shockwave, I really like this once again good stuff man. Lots of info. Info is good. 7.5
Fox^1 |
| #4 GhOsT~LiZarD[26309] |
| 1Cust20.tnt9.tco2.da.uu.net |
| The report is real nice but playing a public is like playing 2 comps on FFA mode =[ |
| #5 JimKeeley[26312] |
| hil-qbu-ptj-vty13.as.wcom.net |
I like these type of reports better then the fiction and such. Explaining the tricks and the thinking behind what players do provide so much insite. Details like which upgrades to get first and why provide valueable information.
Excellent BR |
| #6 shockwave[26315] |
| exchange1.sensable.com |
Ghost: I only report on pub games where my opponent is fairly competitive or when I am doing super-cheap strats, so the blanket statement that all pub opponents sux does not hold water unless you can point out specific things that my opponent did which were incompetent enough to show that I should not have written this report.
I regularly hit fairly good people in 1on1's. Or said another way, I regularly lose in 1on1's when I pick and choose whom I'm playing against, so some of the players are at least at my level. I'll try to get some nwtr/nohunters BRs up when I have a chance, although generally I prefer not to report games where I beat someone who is familiar to the community here. |
#7  [26317] |
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| Could it be? 2 reports from shockwave in one week! Miracles can happen after all. |
#8  [26320] |
| 1Cust127.tnt28.tco2.da.uu.net |
| It's the second coming of Je---I mean Shockwave!! |
| #9 [26321] |
| 1Cust127.tnt28.tco2.da.uu.net |
| That little spinning cross thing messed me up. |
| #10 Sp|nE[26326] |
| dialup0109-pri.voicenet.com |
Real informative =] I still have a difficult time picturing the game without pics though.
8 |
| #11 Fractal_Wave[26330] |
| 24.65.24.97.bc.wave.home.com |
Shock rocks. 'nuff said.
All the best,
Fool_Within
:) |
| #12 Serephina[26331] |
| iis.interconti.com.ar |
Shock, check you stats.
Lurks have range 6, tanks 7, seiged tanks 12.
Get attack, IMO, since medics heal them above 20 fast enought to heal vs lurks.
and anyways, if he mas more than 2 l;urks, armor does jack. stim, focus fire, +1 attack helps.
Other than that, I agree.
-Sere |
| #13 (SA)Raider[26332] |
| 204.164.70.201 |
I agree with Lizard, pub games (excluding higher ranked ladder games) are waaay too easy compared to games against people from channels such as nohunters. I know you are this psycho for supporting evidence, no offense, you have to admit that you are:), and I am going to give you a few examples. Right now my record is around 150s/70s, just over a 2:1 ratio. Recently, I played a pub game vs. a guy who was 24-2 (12:1). I whoopped his sorry ass like there is no tomorrow. The record your opponents have in pub games (with some exceptions, of course) gives you a completely wrongful impression of the person you are playing with or against. For all I know that guy was playing 7v1 comp games up until that point. In either case, I don;t recall loosing a pub game in about the last month or so, while nohunters people give me challenge quite often. Even when I do win, I feel satisfaction for beating the person, and having played a good game rather than beat a BGH lamer who decided he was the king of the Temple.
As for your BR, I liked it, good detail and nice insight. Could use some pics thou... and I could too in my reports :)
{SA}Raider |
| #14 ghost~lizard[26342] |
| 1Cust36.tnt10.tco2.da.uu.net |
| yeah i agree, raider pubs are ez as hell I'm like a billion and 0 as far as I can remember but NH ppl give me a challenge...........sometimes. |
| #15 BLuRReD[26357] |
| 209.57.26.2 |
Great report once again shock, and you go into detail so well in your reports that i can picture the situation in my head, so i wouldnt worry about needing pics :)
BLuRReD |
| #16 shockwave[26387] |
| h00a024cc6600.ne.mediaone.net |
Oops, got tank/lurker range wrong, sorry. Armor is still important against lurkers because your medics won't be able to heal ALL your marines before the second shot. If they just healed each marine one hp and moved on, that would be great; but in practice, you'll find that lurkers do shred marines a lot easier without the armor upgrade.
Ghost, sure most pubs are too easy, sure melee recs mean nothing, I agree. The guy I played here had approx a 1200 rating, if memory serves me correct, which isn't stellar but it's competent enough to have given me a good game. I think you should judge my BR by the quality of the game played, not by the type of game. After all, you can get to mid 1200's by just 4-pooling, and I meet plenty of players with good ladder rankings that do not provide as much challenge as, say, when I get into a pub 1on1 game with someone from your clan, which I have on a number of occasions.
And ghost, I don't want to get personal, but I think it's been said before that we all get a very distinct... impression... when reading your BRs. It is not my intent to make you guys think I'm a great player by posting reports about beating pub players, and I will stop posting if people get that impression at all. Like I said, I lose to pub players too; so if you guys find them all so easy to beat, then I concede that you must be obviously far above my level.
My purpose for writing BRs is primarily to share strategy; and if you keep that in mind, I think you'll find my reports less...offensive...or whatever other word is appropriate to use.
I don't want to prolong this discussion, because it seems very petty to me. Sufficite to say, you are entitled to think whatever you want about my skill level or the news-worthiness of this report because this is a pub game, I really have nothing to prove.
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| #17 GoofBall[26392] |
| walker0-208.reshall.ou.edu |
Sometimes pubbies are the best to read Battlereports about for the very reason some people like to make fun of them. They are generally pretty pathetic players, however... bad players try really stupid things, and unpredictable/stupid things, even though they may not be hard to beat, form the basis of good strategies and tactics many times.
I liked the report Shock... keep on posting them. The nice thing about BattleReports is, no matter how good the players are, if they are of the same relative skill level, it's still interesting to read them and learn from them.
Your "For Dummies" comments are cool. |
| #18 Krebster[26394] |
| spider-wn033.proxy.aol.com |
useless fact: peon harass is classified as "bad manner"
nice report next time remove all the text and add 40 pics im sure people would like it more |
| #19 [HS]Persian[26396] |
| proxy2-external.rdc1.az.home.com |
| Well, I don't give too much credence to anything ghost~lizard says and I also agree that sometimes people in pubbies can be good players. In fact I occasionally meet people in pubbies that I've previously seen in x17 or NH. But I think ghost is an..uhh..idiot so again: his statements = crap. |
| #20 Rupeo[26403] |
| 1Cust90.tnt11.sfo3.da.uu.net |
Nice report. I like the stratigic-descriptive style as much as anything.
A few things on the air balance though. Scouge will work against valks earlier on. They count as small units, so a few valks dont do enough damage to take down scouge before they hit. But valk damage overlaps, and with more valks you reacha critical mass where scourge have no hope of reaching the valks before they are vaporized. Im not sure what the number is exactly critical mass, but Im pretty sure 7-8 valks will kill hundreds of scourge.
On the other hand, valks do poorly against devourers. They cant kill the things fast enough to keep from getting icky purple goo all over them( not even if you have a whole bunch of valks I think) and acid spores slow down rate of fire, which effects valks dramatically. I guess if you are outresourceing zerg on air you can win with valks alone vs devs, but in general, that will not happen. |
| #21 Blank[26406] |
| 142.hartford-03-04rs.ct.dial-access.att.net |
I like to smurf around in public games :P
But I'm a newbie =[
Good report shock, I don't defend my main from drops either=[
Blank |
| #22 shockwave[26439] |
| h00a024cc6600.ne.mediaone.net |
Rupeo:
Yep, scourge can kill valks pretty easily, because although the valks do splash, etc., the scourge will get on top of them pretty quickly while the valks are slowing down, turning, and firing.
I tried some pretty insane tests:
12 3/3 valks against 24 3/3 scourge un-managed: 2 valks left
12 0/0 valks against 24 0/0 scourge un-managed: 10 valks left
12 0/0 valks against 24 0/0 scourge cloned: 5 valks
In all tests, scourge were tightly clumped to give the valks the best chance possible with splash.
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| #23 Hannibal[26458] |
| imscache01.netvigator.com |
Just a couple of things...
1) I am not a believer of putting lurker at main to defend drops. I once was but no longer. Reason is that as you expand, you just can't afford to "waste" lurkers at every base since every base is vulnerable to drop. I would either spend massively on sunkens because zerg tends to have tons of mineeral in the bank. If you are not using the mineral, why not "waste" it on sunkens. But a better way is through map control, which brings me to my next point. You really need mutas as zerg vs terran.
2) Mutas are needed to intercept drops, stop turbo newbie, protect OL and baiscly to strengthen the lurker containment. But not many people have mentioned this. Mutas are needed as a recon unit. Terran has the com-sat but zerg needs muta to know what terran is up to, what tech he has, etc. Otherwise, a terran might have BC before a zerg knows it. It is vital, even with 3-4 mutas to get recon.
3) Thats what makes valks so strong. You stop the mutas, you more or less win the game. Tons of options open up to you if a zerg is playing blind. That is why as zerg I always says, "You can never have too many scourges". Not that I always heed my own advice but I try my best to build more scourges all the time. Once a zerg can set up a minimal containment and so an expansion with gas, a terran really can't keep up valks and SVs if he also has to replace them due to scourges. Of course at that point a micro nightmare. The terran would run the valks or SV on top of marines for the scourges to be shot down while zergs can distract marines with suicide lings to scourge the "protected" SV. But boy, is that a rush when you win the micro war. |
| #24 Glak[26462] |
| 59.cambridge-21-22rs.ma.dial-access.att.net |
| I know how to consistently make gaurdians attack turrets and never drift into range. Use the attack target command, not the attack move command. It also fits your analogy. If you are driving and just happen to drive into a garage you won't have already deccelerated (assume you did not notice the garage until you were already in it) because while you did plan on stopping at any garaged along the way you did not know this particular one would be here. If you tell your car that you have a certain garage in mind then it will plan accordingly. The downside is that if an a garbage can or marine gets in your way you won't automatically run it over. So pick your targets if you want to minimize damage to your units and you have the time to micro them. |
| #25 shockwave[26474] |
| h00a024cc6600.ne.mediaone.net |
Thanks Glak :-).
Thanks also, Hannibal. Yes, I am a firm believer that air control is critical, or at least gives you a big strategic advantage, in all games whether land or air. Marine/meds shred mutas, but you can use mutas correctly for hit-and-runs, make expansions difficult to setup, and stop dropships from landing in your base with impunity.
It's a good thing that valks can get scourged so easily. You can't do this against corsairs :-(, but against valks at least you can gain air control if you micro properly. And it takes him a LOT longer to replace dead valks than for you to make more scourge to take them out.
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| #26 IceKilller[26511] |
| 207.124.94.70 |
This is for Shockwave.... please read it.
Hi shock... ive being playing SC for a long time. Ive won several tournaments in my country and i wrote strats for several sites on the net.
(The first lines were just to give me some credibility, but i dont care what others will think about it)
But during all this time i've never underestimate an opponent. I love your reports cause i think you make them for teaching not for bragging, tons of players, including some of them who wrote comments up there, create reports and put comments just for bragging and for showing everyone out there that they're "good".
I think that some of the greatest players of BW are on pub games, stop thinking that you're an Elite player and start playing with unknown guys with good stats. Maybe you can find a future start hidden in there or your more incredible opponent, dont become a game racist, play for playing and learn of your opponents, thats what Shock is doing....
Send all those S... comments to hell and keep doing your good work. Peace Shock....
IceKiller
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| #27 bless`me~ultima[26549] |
| 16-ta02pk.idsi.net |
I've got over 1200 games on bnet (stats me if you want), and I'd have to say that public 1v1's, or 2v2's for that matter, are 70% just as competitive as your little private channel nohunters x17 games. It pisses me off when people think they are too l33t to play public games. Good people play public games when they don't want to debate BW theory or listen to obvious things, "Look, I am 1/0, that helps me against sunkens!" Obviously this doesn't apply to all, but its kind of interesting that Ghost~lizard and SA raider was the one who said it. I mean I don't know if he's trying to sound cocky or arrogant, or if he really believes it:
[ yeah i agree, raider pubs are ez as hell I'm like a billion and 0 as far as I can remember but NH ppl give me a challenge...........sometimes. ]
That is such a bunch of shit, and not to be arrogant myself, but honestly you can't say ghost or raider is even that good. I doubt anyone can actually come and tell me that ghost is that good to say he wins even 85% of pubs and even 40% of priv games. Ghost lost it for me a couple times in pub 2v2's, and the priv game i observed, he's DAMN lucky that he had mark4 as a partner...
good post icekiller |
| #28 bless`me~ultima[26554] |
| 16-ta02pk.idsi.net |
| oh and for the record ghost, you're not l33t enough to write your name in alternating caps lock, someone has to tell you sooner or later unless _everyone_ at nohunters sucks up to you or something...and don't think the only good players on b.net hang out at your channels, you too raider |
| #29 IceKiller[26557] |
| 207.124.94.70 |
bless'me~ultima... you're the man. hit'em hard :P.
IceKiller |
| #30 Rupeo[26559] |
| 1Cust134.tnt6.sfo3.da.uu.net |
Hmm, i did the scourge vs valk test today. My numers came out a little different, and Id like to see how valks attack-moving into a bunch of cloned scourge fare, I couldnt figure out a way to test that. But I must sat Im dissapointed with the number of valks that die when scourge are cloned. In most of my games the scourge have died first but obviously valks arent a cure all for air, even early on vs a zerg player with good mico :(.
Ah well, it good to know. |
| #31 IceKiller[26560] |
| 207.124.94.70 |
bless'me~ultima... you're the man. hit'em hard :P.
IceKiller |
| #32 IceKiller[26562] |
| 207.124.94.70 |
bless'me~ultima... you're the man. hit'em hard :P.
IceKiller |
| #33 IceKiller[26572] |
| 09-ta02pk.idsi.net |
| Icekiller owns! |
| #34 bless`me~ultima[26574] |
| 09-ta02pk.idsi.net |
| err that was me, ^^^ |
| #35 Talasar[26902] |
| p417-049.ppp.get2net.dk |
How can anyone conclude that public games are easy? I mean if deceided to smurf in a public game and ended up with shock as my opponent, I would't win easily. Off course it's true that most public players suck, because they play $$$hunters$$$. But sometimes you'll get surprised at the level of the opponent.
Credits to shock for a very good and describtive report. Pictures would be nice, but sometimes ppl overdo it with pics and fancy html. |
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