| #1 ralessi-AoK[2256] |
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*cough* loser *cough*
we say hunter playas suck because they need "mucho money" to build stuff... they have no real knowledge of the game because they just usually turtle up in one base and go for carriers/bc's, or they double, triple, or even quadrouple 4 pool rush you. bgh lamers/players are NOT good players and i admit, i bet an avid bgh player like you could kick my ass on a bgh - like map because it is hard to adapt... i mean usually we rely on expanding and starving the other person out, but you cant do that on bgh because you can get unlimited resources from one base! the strategy on bgh... well actually the lack of strategy on bgh makes it a bad map... now, if you arent talking about bgh and are just talking about regular hunters i have no problem with that, i mean reg. hunters is fine although i do not like it much because it is imbalanced and has a lot of money on it... too much... thanks for your time =p |
| #2 Proud[2259] |
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oops, sorry if i gave the wrong impression. i play normal hunters all the time and bgh once in a while (like say, once every two weeks?). yes, i also agree it brings your level down if played once too often but somehow people go ahead and label anyone who admits in touching a TINY BIT of BGH a *cough* loser *cough*
seems to me people who write bgh battlereports always need a lot of explaining to make sure people dont get the wrong impression of them
so whats wrong with playing bgh once in a while?
and about the imbalance, i have no idea what youre talking about
thanks for your time =P |
| #3 Twip[2260] |
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| Allow me to write up a short review of the map: The Hunters. It's all on one level, no high ground, no islands, nothing. All 8 bases are one big choke point to the center, so it's very easy to get from any one base to any another. This makes it, in part, a rush map. Also, there're 10 mineral patches, more than you find on most maps. Each player has a gimme expansion, but some of your success is determined by luck in where each player starts. It's just a very boring map, devoid of the strategy you can find in many other maps. NoHunters players will generally pick a random Brood War map and play it, whether anyone knows it or not. This, IMO, is a better way to learn to "adapt" than anyone will get from playing a single map. Blizzards releasing maps of the week, why don't you play them? |
| #4 Phelsior[2261] |
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| I agree that hunters is a boring map, and I agree that ppl should play more of the other excellent maps. Not just Lost Temple and Dire Straits. Hunters is ok, BGH is not. |
| #5 GoofBall[2262] |
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<i>seems to me people who write bgh battlereports always need a lot of explaining to make sure people dont get the wrong impression of them </i>
That's because most of the people who read battlereports here are looking for some interesting strategies in action. Playing BGH is not strategy, its speed. Its speed to see who can turtle and tech the fastest. I played BGH once before I left school and let me tell you, it was the most inane game I have ever played. In a normal game, losing a carrier sucks and can decide the game. In a BGH game, everyone has 23825837562 carriers anyway and enough resources to build carriers for a solid week.
Twip is right about playing random maps. I used to be a one map wonder and I'm exponentially better now that I play maps I've never seen before. |
| #6 Mark4[2263] |
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| National tournament of 6,000 players? Let's see, there's about 30,000-50,000 logged onto battle.net at any given time. I'd venture to say most "nohunters" players wouldn't have too much of a problem with you. If you'd like to prove different drop me an email, mark4@battlereports.com. We could play three or five games. Of course, I'll probably pick an island map once or twice =]. |
| #7 JSH[2266] |
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The reason people hate BGH and Hunters is because they're played all the time. Nohunters people would rather play other maps. A lot of people on BGH really do suck. But not everyone. And it's not like all non-BGH players are great. So to say that someone sucks because they're a BGH/Hunters player is kind of a lame stereotype.
Occasionally the infinite resources on BGH will piss me off in a game. But regular Hunters is fine. I play it to this day. |
| #8 MikeyMonty[2267] |
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| Hunters and BGH wouldn't be so bad if people would actually join a game or create a game that was on a different map. Anytime I'm looking for a game against a random opponent I've got read down the list of BGH $$$$$ games before I find one on a decent BLizzard map. |
| #9 Smoked Pork[2271] |
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| When WC2 Platinum hits bnet he'll have to change his name to "ProudToBeAGardensPlayer." |
| #10 Smoked Pork[2272] |
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| BTW. Johnny. Porceline bengalaas. *nudge nudge* You've got the pic. |
| #11 Insane-Snow[2274] |
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BGH definitely is making a player weaker. All my friends are playing BGH (because they just started to play SC) and guess what they told me when I asked them why? Because they said it is easy to play. No need for expand, only one entrance to base, unlimited resources at your base. So basically what they do always is this: cannon/bunker/sunken at choke, then go MASSIVE Carriers/Battlecrusiers/Guardians(Muta+Dev combo of course). Maybe two or three dozens of those.
What the point of playing then?? If you don't want to think, don't play SC!
When a BGH player is playing other Blizzard normal maps, they suck badly... worse than a newbie. A newbie knows they have to expand. BGH player just doesn't expand at all!! When playing normal maps, the first thing they ask is, "Damn, limited resources".... sigh....
For all BGH people, go play a map with a trigger like this one: "Set resources to current player to 100000 ore and gas"
You don't need gather your money anymore. |
| #12 SqueakyMonkey[2275] |
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| I don't see why you bash people who play BGH, if you don't like it then you don't play it, problem solved. People have a right to play whatever map they want, it's their game after all. |
| #13 Khorne_wargod[2276] |
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| I think Hunters is a good map but BGH Hunters absolutely disgusts me! I think one of the hardest things in the game is deciding when to expand and when to block the person you are playing against from expanding and how to do it. JUst to le some people know i modified a Hunters Map so its High ground Hunters. All of the water has been replaced by high ground. And people don't have a rightt to play whatever they want. This deserved at least a 3 thought. He (i assume) dosen't deserve to be in the same class as "I did a 5 pool rush, he died". |
| #14 GunsandZealots[2278] |
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I will admit to playing BGH sometimes with some Kali friends, that's what they play, BGH requirs no skill and no strategy. Playing with my Kali friends we have never lost. You will never run out of resources at your main, in reality you dont have to expand.
BGH is a race to either get mass carriers, or mass tanks and goliaths (or BC's), or mass hydras, you rarely see someone tech up, its so lame! It's so easy to turtle until you have an army that could destroy anything it touchs. Hell, if you loss 8 carriers, you have 8 starports making 8 more. Even the US Army did not produce troops and forces like that in WWII.
I have never seen a single player use dark swarm on BGH. They just do not use all of their units abilities.
About the BR, how crappy a report, get some names or something, take a writing class too! I dont write great reports, but this one desires its 1 Bengalaas. |
| #15 Mark4[2279] |
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| You know the interesting thing? BGH is an easy map for good players too. Some nohunters players complain about the wall in and mass carrier strat. The thing is, you do need to expand after you saturate your main with workers, then make sure you have enough unit producing structures to keep your resources scraping bottom. Yes, after you have two expansions and your cranking from 20 gates, it's silly, simple, and ridiculous. But you still enter mid game with twice the unit production of your opponents and they wonder why thier carrier rush fails to 75 upgraded dragoons and a few templar. Or why even wait till that point? 18-24 goons will easily roll over the ten or twelve cannons these newbies place in a solid line at thier choke. My point is, high skill at all maps will let you win even these ridiculous games, but high skill at BGH lets you win BGH. |
| #16 Syncmaster_Ne[2280] |
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Wassup bitch wanna try ur lil' 5/6 pool shit on me? Bring it! I'll counter right after when u got nothing. WE'll see who'll laugh then. You base ur lil ling rush on luck! " Ooh, I'lls ned it to 12 and wow! I got lucky..." What if nobody's there? what if when u have 36 lings I got 20 marines and 6 medics. Bit me
Sync |
| #17 Syncmaster_Ne[2281] |
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Wassup bitch wanna try ur lil' 5/6 pool shit on me? Bring it! I'll counter right after when u got nothing. WE'll see who'll laugh then. You base ur lil ling rush on luck! " Ooh, I'lls ned it to 12 and wow! I got lucky..." What if nobody's there? what if when u have 36 lings I got 20 marines and 6 medics. Bite me
Sync |
| #18 HardDrive99[2285] |
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Agreed Mark... I remember the first time I played BGH on bnet. I played alot here at work on resource limited maps, etc and found that the main reason for winning/losing was expanding at the right time.
So here I'm playing on this mucho resource map with a tendancy to expand lots. The other guy couldn't get the resources in as fast as I and I was able to out produce him and destroy his turtle defence (maybe they don't see drops often enough?).
But the part I hated was the extra 20 minutes I had to play to eliminate the guy after I thrashed him. He'ld drop down a pylon here or there just so he could trash talk. Play a good game, say congrats when you're done and the writing is on the wall.
HD |
| #19 JSH[2286] |
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Mark, you're absolutely right about that. You don't need to expand, but that doesn't mean you CAN'T. I find it's hella more fun to make zealots and dragoons out of numerous gateways instead of turtling and teching. And you're right, lots of people die to it, because they think their cannons will stop everything. Or sometimes it's fun to make mutas and attack their undefended peon line. Hehe.
So the point is not 'everyone' turtles and techs. But most people do. And most people can be killed when they do. |
| #20 .Praetor[2287] |
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You know, Hunters isn't a bad map. BGH even has its good points. A few. Thing is, it is devoid of most strategies. No ledges, no islands, not even trees for cover. It is a small eight-player map, and I will admit to enjoying a few no-rush 3on3's. But I see it as not a bad map, but not a good map, so many others have funner stuff. Chokes, bridges, islands, and I love melee units in a forest. I'd also like to add that the comparison between GOW and Hunters is invalid.
The only comparison is how often they are played. As I've said, Hunters does not have access to all the strategies availiabe in Starcraft. GOW was an excellent map for War2. For one, it was large enough that rushing was not easy. Two, it had variations in landscape. There were alternate routes to places. You could tower in mines. Great fun! Even archers could be placed in strategic locations. I even perfected a gryphon rush =). And the spell opprotunites! Not so on hunters. So stop the silly comparison!
In defense of Hunters, and, more importantly, GOW.
.Praetor |
| #21 Bob the Newt[2294] |
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| Once again, I must say that this report has been rated 5 points to high. If you ever want to play me you ling rushing loser, I will kick your ass in the name of British people. |
| #22 ralessi[2296] |
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GOW blows... it is exactly like hunters =[
FOC on low baby =[
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| #23 UpgradedKakaru[2312] |
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| when i started up in bnet, bgh was my favorite map. Today, id prefer to play alone against comps then play a multiplayer on bgh. i dont blame pple for playin it; its a normal map to start with after all |
| #24 Cake[2315] |
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ralessi GOW blows... it is exactly like hunters =[
FOC on low baby =[
yep i bet considering u didnt want to play foc/low with me rather u wanted to play foc/high =[
;-D |
| #25 .Praetor[2323] |
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| I have to agree with you Ralessi, on low resources being more fun, but I have to tell you that Gow was a perfectly good map, with not too many minerals and plenty of opprotunity for strategy. I did prefer Bridge to Bridge though. Also a bit large, but even more opprotunites for Rangers! |
| #26 Bob the Newt[2344] |
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| Hey, maybe a better name for this report would be "Think twice before you embarass yourself with a pro-hunters BR on a site run by NoHunters" |
| #27 Mark4[2351] |
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| Well, the site administrators are habitual nohunters players, but we are not official affiliated with nohunters. |
| #28 Sync[2397] |
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| Hahaha funny bob |
| #29 ralessi[2399] |
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I've been practicing against the comp cake i still suck but im good at foc/low now =D
praetor, gow is ok, but jeez its mucho becuz in the middle there are 4 gold mines!!! hehe
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| #30 Smoked Pork[2400] |
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Any argument regarding BGH's playability, skill required, amount of resources, tactics used, whatever, all that's bogus. The real problem with BGH is that it's killed variety.
Why won't anyone join my 5-man FFA on Island Hop? Because it's not Hunters and it's not melee. When was the last time you played a greed or a slaughter game?
That's right - never. All the potential for variety in this otherwise excellent game completely out the window. The nohunters crowd has their own bad habits (Temple, Dire).
There are hundreds of maps. Maybe 5 are played with any frequency, 2 of these compose 90% of all the games on b.net. Over 99% of all the games played are either melee or UMS, despite the fact that there's a dozen different game varieties.
People can't even argue that they don't play the other game types or other maps because they simply don't like them - because they've never played them.
30,000 people on fucking b.net and not a fucking one will join a FFA. |
| #31 [IceBerG][2411] |
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| Uh... if there were any pride there, wouldn't you have left your name for people to challenge you? That would prove how GREAT you are. Personally I don't like BGH, but I really do like Hunters. Something about it grabs me.. mainly because everyone is on equal ground knowing where everything is and you don't get the "What is this map like" question. Oh well.. play on! |
| #32 Etarenicni/PrinceCharming/Slicer[2431] |
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| Damn, Pork.. finally, there's someone else who understands. I didn't know people like you existed anymore. |
| #33 Mark4[2472] |
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| Don't get me wrong. Smoke is right about this. Every nohunters player realizes that hunters doesn't suck, it sucks because it's the only thing most public people will play. I would not be playing on battle.net anymore if nohunters didn't exist. |
| #34 Shielded[DR][2495] |
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| We say hunters sux because it does! The original hunts is ok but every stupid moron that gets a hunts map puts mucho money on it! hunters players dont know how to expand or do anything that has to do with leaving there base. Play a ladder map and see how you do then you will see my piont! |
| #35 Shielded[DR][2496] |
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| We say hunters sux because it does! The original hunts is ok but every stupid moron that gets a hunts map puts mucho money on it! hunters players dont know how to expand or do anything that has to do with leaving there base. Play a ladder map and see how you do then you will see my piont! |
| #36 Shielded[DR][2497] |
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| We say hunters sux because it does! The original hunts is ok but every stupid moron that gets a hunts map puts mucho money on it! hunters players dont know how to expand or do anything that has to do with leaving there base. Play a ladder map and see how you do then you will see my piont! |
| #37 WOLLYOTTA[2579] |
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| you guys started a "Nohunters" but in reality the only thing u play is dire, or lost temple...Why don't you get a variety of maps instead of those two. Playing hunters, lost temple and dire, is better than lost temple and dire. The only reason most people don't play hunters, is because they'll get called a newbie. If i start a "Notemple" would anyone join it? No, because ur cool if you play it...right? And ur bad if you play hunters |
| #38 Avalanche-X[2586] |
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| Its amazing how many comments can be produced from a suck ass map and an even worse battle report. This world is GREAT!!! |
| #39 Bob the Newt[2841] |
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| Temple is better than hunters in every possible way. And the reason I don't play hunters is becuase I don't want a newbie partner. |
| #40 DarKnight[3525] |
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Let the flaming begin!
ok it alreadi began but who cares
BGH and Hunters are played to often because a lot of players are stinkin' newbies with no skill
It stinks! try some map with skill! try reading my battle report for a real NEWBIELAND
u are a suck@$$ player that writes SUCK@$$ reports! |
| #41 Desert Demon[149633] |
| user-0ce2kn4.cable.mindspring.com |
| op ~notemple ;o |
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