| #1 ProXy[cF][148973] |
| ca01-ch03-bl04.accel.atl.earthlink.net |
Another nicely written report.
9/10
Gogogo! |
| #2 FlyingV[148976] |
| dgbt-dzrz1dqded.cpe.ozrk.al.charter.com |
| Excellent report. I'm not new, but I'm not great; I owe a good deal of my improvement to this site and trying out the things I read about. Keep it coming! |
| #3 TwistedNecro[148977] |
| lsanca1-ar54-4-3-202-139.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net |
| Um, before I finish reading, I'd like to point out that you missed several words in your text. And that cannon is spelled like C-A-N-N-O-N! Not canon! =P Aside from that, this wasn't a bad report. Not that I've finished it, though. I'm going to bed. ;-D |
| #4 maareek[148978] |
| mblt-ad053.gtcom.net |
| I love these last reports, no pics or fancy borders just the meat of sc battles, it's great. As a random player i love any report that focuses on 2 races as this one does it gives me some ideas to use as toss, as well as ones to use as terran, and what to watch for as both. Another very good read. |
| #5 nrkizt[148980] |
| netblock-66-159-222-87.dslextreme.com |
Best protoss BRs in terms of strategy education since AQD3/Mark4. And that's high praise indeed.
Text-only and reports with graphics should have separate rating scales so that reports like this can receive a 10.
Keep 'em coming. |
| #6 c.m.o.t. dibbler[148983] |
| 194.151.4.99 |
| Pretty damn good report, writing described the action really well (no pics needed: everyone knows LT and how units look like). Keep em coming |
#7 
[148984] |
| 129.142.195.30.ip.tele2adsl.dk |
Despite a fair amount of errors, like missing words and misspellings, I'm slapping a 9 on this. I've been playing WGT as a toss for a few weeks now, and it's nice to relate ^_^
Four games, none of the brilliant games, but all good, and all with important lessons to learn. Really enjoyed it. Can't wait for wgt season 8 to start :) |
| #8 OverTheUnder[148986] |
| 207.28.249.74 |
Me Either:D Gj this is one of the better reports i have read and THE best one without any pictures. The skill level on your reports are usually a bit higher then other pplz to:D Keep up the good work
8.5 |
| #9 SpuniasauR[148987] |
| CPE-138-130-50-215.nsw.bigpond.net.au |
gotta say its really great having a good starcraft player on here. alot of the starcraft reports are pretty chat nowadays, i really miss the old school heartcutter and cattle report style that you have captured (although not as humorous)
and by the way, u have restored my faith in toss 3gate build, i totally agree with u saying terran is too confident and a solid 3gate can anal them without a chance, i guess watching progamers and their 1-2 gate expand openings really made me forget about what toss is all about. thx. 9.0! |
| #10 Fred[148990] |
| dhcp52.des.ucdavis.edu |
Well, nice report, I enjoyed it. The writing could use a little work, though in general it's good. Just little things like using 2ce instead of twice is a mistake. Using abbreviations in a report never seems to be a good idea.
I had a few questions about the strategies you used, admittedly I haven't played the latest patch. You seemed to go for goons quite a bit despite the Terran's reliance on tanks - I've always found zealots highly effective against heavy metal. Also, your opponents always seem to do the same things. No one pulls a wraith raid anymore?
Someone explain to me what WGT is :).
8. |
| #11 OverTheUnder[148992] |
| 207.28.249.74 |
Nah Wraith was old school strat, pretty effective though:D I just don't think it could survive agaisnt todays P players (or wouldn't be AS goo) because if u look at Pros 4 years ago then look at them now they are ALOT better and not nearly as sloppy, nice to see some old school players though:D
Wgtour is basically one of SC's Main centers for tournaments, nation wars, news, and ladder. |
| #12 ProXy[cF][149005] |
| ca01-ch03-bl03.accel.atl.earthlink.net |
| Wraith raid? Wouldn't work against P, always goon/obs and cannon at line. P users are paranoid of mines, for good reason though. One thing P should watch out for is being OVER cautious. Spend your money in the first 10 minutes cannoning at your mineral line, making goons, cannoning your ramp, etc, and those 12 tanks with no vulture will run you over. Of course that's what obs in his main are for, but still. =] |
| #13 OverTheUnder[149009] |
| 207.28.249.74 |
Actually Proxy Wraith works very well and would probably own many P players if they werent expectign it, for one it makes carriers shit, and second u can go around fro mexpo ot expo making them leave3 a few cannons and goons at every one. You can also use them with drops and harass there guyz by scannign for obs and killing their army:D
(sorry bout the spelling this was typed up in like 20 sec.) |
| #14 OverTheUnder[149011] |
| 207.28.249.74 |
| K im back, anywayz wraith raid requires alot of improvision, but it can kick ass if u know what your doing. I"ll try it a few times and upload replay or if i suck at it ill just upload one of an oldschool pro:/ I tried it once and after i had my natural mining i had 1 fact pumping tanks, 3-4 ports pumping wraiths and a few barracks pumping m&M and it completely wasted the toss, who probably woulda been like a c2 in wgt. |
| #15 Raider[149013] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-3-120.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr |
OverTheUnder, wraiths is not a good strat vs toss these days because most toss players go very early robo and get observers fast. That means you cannot surprise them with cloack. Once, toss realizes you are going wraiths, 2 canons is all he needs to make the expos safe. Until then, a few goons will do the job with obba help.
If you persist with wraiths throughout the game, a few sair will own you hard. And even without them, the usual goon/temp will beat 1 factory tank with wraith support.
Basically, if toss scouting is decent and he sees your strat, it's easily countered. And as far as scouting goes, most toss will send their firts observer to your base, so it's pretty easy to see.
The exception to this rule is to go wraiths to counter carriers. |
| #16 Raider[149014] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-3-53.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| Hey ling, you commented on the report, but you never actually rated it. Could you slap a number down on it please. Thanks man. |
| #17 OverTheUnder[149019] |
| 207.28.249.74 |
| First of all lets take a look at this phrase... "PROXY wraith... PROXY..." as in hidden tech:P When u do it u take the risk u do will all hidden tech. Anywayz, u do have to watch out for temp but u will be fine (Try to Snipe Them) but there is still so much harassin to be done. What i would do is take natural then islands since it will be easy for u to diffend them, that is 4 gas places right away, and with that u can change tech pretty easily, i would probably stop making them once they got some corsairs of course but an army of 15 wraiths flyign around armed with cloak and comsat is dangerous, with good harassment u could make the mvery definsive and easily out macro the P. Plus it would hold off reaver drops and they probably wouldnt get many, if any zealots when they see u have wraiths so tanks with a bit of m&M support early would let u expo. |
| #18 OverTheUnder[149020] |
| 207.28.249.74 |
Also, the cliffs would be very easy to take with 2-4 tanks and wraith support until u turrent it up. That would make tem expo at a main and thuse spread their froces making harasment even easier. Anywayz, all im trying to say is that this strat is solid and what it really comes down to in the end is the skill of the players.
I PERSONALLY believe that if someone with very nice micro/macro practiced it it would be one of the best TvP strats. |
| #19 Raider[149022] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-2-125.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| Hidden or not, you run into the same old early obba problem. And toss keep goons around the nexus to defend vs tank drop. Not saying it can never work, just not very likely vs decent player. |
| #20 badme[149024] |
| pcp05314423pcs.norstn01.pa.comcast.net |
| It might be a nice surprise move, but the environment of goon/obs really doesn't support it. |
| #21 [149025] |
| 129.142.195.30.ip.tele2adsl.dk |
Oops, got your 9 registered now.
Seriously tho, wraiths don't work 90% of the time. The thing is, it's great fun when they do ^^. |
| #22 Raider[149026] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-2-71.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr |
Yeah wraith rush is mad fun. I actually use it a lot in TvZ. 2 port wraiths with eventual 1-factory tank support can really mess up the zerg.
There was this one rep of Boxer beating Grrr.... with a wraith rush. That was back when Grrr was the undisputed toss champion and it was a 5 game series between them for the first time ever. |
| #23 OverTheUnder[149030] |
| 12-205-134-226.client.mchsi.com |
| Well i wont post anymore but at least consider this, you have 6 wraiths... maybe 2 tanks and a few m&M to defend ur base, toss has a max of 2 obs by now if any at all and 8-10 goons?(thats being generous), since u built acadamy for meds u will have comsat, u go to base start killing probes if there is obs u scan take it out then cloak, new one come or pops out u kill it, then take ur natural expo and the 2 islands.... GG? very likely:D |
| #24 OverTheUnder[149031] |
| 12-205-134-226.client.mchsi.com |
| Of course this is IDEAL scenario but with alot of practice this could become a base strat, im not talking liek reaver drop but actually having wraith support through out a toss game:/ just keep in mind it doesnt have to be a wraith "rush" u could maybe start with m&M and tech to wraith, toss will either get dts, temps, or maybe reavers to counter this and wraiths and a few tanks could hold them off then u could counter by securing his cliff and maybe ur own natural if u have enough power or if not an island. That's just some scenarios for ppl to think about:/ |
| #25 Raider[149032] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-2-71.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr |
By the time you have those units, toss will have a good deal more than 8-10 goons. Look at the gas:
6x wraiths: 600
2x tank: 200
siege mode: 150
wraith cloack: 150
2x starport+1 addon: 250
some medics and comsat: 100
factory and addon: 150
TOTAL: 1600
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| #26 Raider[149033] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-2-71.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr |
whereas toss needs:
goon range: 150
10 goons: 500
robo+observatory: 300
2 obs: 150
TOTAL: 1100
So you are looking at either 10 extra goons or 6-8 extra goons and some more obs.
Oh and toss starts mining gas about 100 extra gas ahead of terran. |
| #27 OverTheUnder[149034] |
| 12-205-134-226.client.mchsi.com |
| I think u are probably right but maybe 2-3 more goons? anyway the number of goons doesnt matter THAT much.. just ur ability to harass and kill obs.. but im tired of talking about ill try some diff stuff and let ya know if anything works:/ Here is a cool idea, fast expo but keep pumping mariens from your one barracks then a few meds when u can. Those 8 marines and 2 meds could make all the difference since most toss double expo u could catch the mcompletely off guard and at least take one down. In the case of 3 gate u could probably at least hold them off, not get ass raped and have reasource advantage:/ I have done this about 3 times and no one has done a 3 gate when i did but all 3 times were victories:/ 2 of them double expoed and 1 P just sucked and didnt react at all to my fast expo so lost cause he was out macroed, I encourage other T players to try it and let me know how u do:D |
| #28 Raider[149035] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-4-196.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| kk, sounds cool, if you get a good game of either that or the wraith rush, post rep, i'd love to see it. |
| #29 [149040] |
| 129.142.195.30.ip.tele2adsl.dk |
| Seriously Over: take it as a learning experience, and share the results with us through a battlereport; I'll gladly help you with styling/html if you need. Just focus on playing some good games and write then up ;D |
| #30 ProXy[cF][149089] |
| ca01-ch03-bl04.accel.atl.earthlink.net |
I love my name ;D
Wraiths are expensive and die easily. It's a 'work once' strat. I play PVT storm toss. I don't use DT, i use HT. Archon will own wraith hard, since i get those no matter what T gets, because 10-15 minutes in, i always have 1000 gas beacuse goons are the only thing that cost gas and they cost almost none (besides obs of course). With 2-3 gas you will run way over. Wraith are too weak. If they had 200 HP, they would work much better. If 6 wraith fly over ONE cannon...i mean...talk about lame. |
| #31 ProXy[cF][149090] |
| ca01-ch03-bl03.accel.atl.earthlink.net |
| Wraith raids COULD throw a P off balance, and a noob would cannon up all over the place... i guess it could work like muta harrass to lurker in ZVT. Harrass and terran wastes 500 min building bunks and turrets, and slows down the exp by about 5 minutes, when you get about 8 mutas the whole time --. However remember you gotta get starport, cloak, etc, man, you could get like 5-6 tanks extra instead, talk about own -- |
| #32 penis[149091] |
| oh-beachwood-cmts1c-83.clvdoh.adelphia.net |
| sand in ur vagina |
| #33 Napoleic[149100] |
| S01060006257a86be.vc.shawcable.net |
| every wraith you make is one less tank... no way is a wraith equivalent to a tank in fighting power, real or potential... |
| #34 fuck you[149116] |
| d6q0m741 |
| why the fuck did a plugin install when i attempted to read this |
| #35 [149120] |
| mcl09.cnc.bc.ca |
It's called spyware. It's how you get content for free. TIGHTEN YOUR BROWSER SECURITY SETTINGS! especially the part about activex downloads.
Then all you have to deal with is annoying popup boxes, but one per report isn't too bad. Worth it for the content, but you can have your own opinion. |
| #36 SPHS-Shadow[149129] |
| 165.29.9.1 |
you are one kick ass mfer. im mean, holy shit. i owe a lot of improvement to this site, and now most from you.
i would love to face you some time to see how badly you would stomp my ass into the ground.
your right, goonies are strong but dumb.
they are actually mentally handicappid, its caused by the process of a zealot becoming a goon.
see, when the zealot is really hurt, he can become goon. but while they are filling the exoskeleton with that blue fluid, he is temporarily deprived of oxygen. that is the cause of their retardedness.
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| #37 [149145] |
| host81-154-214-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com |
"My friend Sin, who used to be on nA, is now on their team and has a sponsor, though he is actually not that good"
Sin left nA?
asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfafdfasdfadfa
oh well, he wasn't as good as ink but he had more diverse strats and was more fun
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| #38 Ling-erie[149146] |
| host81-154-214-96.range81-154.btcentralplus.com |
hmm, that was me, and i meant 'was also good fun'
=-] |
| #39 LG)cheloman[149208] |
| 80.58.32.42.proxycache.rima-tde.net |
| When you talk about Latin America BW, please, do it knowing that at least all members of LG Team are better of you. |
| #40 [149209] |
| 80.58.32.42.proxycache.rima-tde.net |
| than you of couse ... ^^ |
| #41 Raider[149265] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-4-61.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr |
Having never played any LG team members, I cannot make a claim one way or another. Out of the games I played against the memebers of Latin America national teams though, I won the vast majority, and the few I lost were close games.
Any national team that use me as a marker has to be pretty bad seeing as I am quite far from being good right now. |
| #42 Raider[149267] |
| AMontsouris-103-1-4-61.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr |
| What I am trying to say...is that Latin America national teams have not been doing very good in WGT, regardless of my skill level. |
| #43 NT[149321] |
| 12.17.140.214 |
| ahh a hearcutter fan... it gets a 10 just for name dropping! |
| #44 Thatwesguy[149493] |
| adsl-68-124-30-84.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net |
| Wow. I can't believe how much I have to learn. Thanks for making it seems doable! Good luck and good games! |
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